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Universal spells and Traditions
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Archangel



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Deviknyte wrote:
archangel.arcanis wrote:
Yes that was what huston and Deviknyte were saying is the only legal way for a non-arcane/divine archetype to get them at the same time.
I'm under the belief that you need only take both talents in the same creation step or rank advancement.

hustonj is under the impression that you cannot. His idea is that during any creation step or rank advancement, all talents and skill ranks acquired are obtained at the exact same time, and thus one of them cannot be a prerequisite for another.

I have no idea on this issue. I don't recall reading it anywhere. I do recall Pedro or Eric saying that the Step 9 thing was a viable option (I could be crazy). And being able to do it through step 9 seems like the intent for me. I'll hit the google search on the forums I guess.

He agreed with you that the talents section of creation allows for it. The advancement section that allows you to take two talents won't work due to the restrictions.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I see.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Universal as a tradition choice Reply with quote
Nevermind, all. I found the answer in the actual text of the book (imagine that!) Thanks for all who posted trying to help me.

For those curious, the answer is written on page 342, "All Arcanum have access to the Universal Tradition." Then, in the Arcane Spell Casting Talent it says, "Choose one primary and two secondary traditions that you have gained access to from your chosen source of magic..." Since every source has access to Universal, it can be a choice at advancement. Of course, you would only do this if you didn't already get all the Universal spells from Prestidigitation, but it is an option for those that didn't.

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If I didn't get all universal spells at character creation, but gain Tier I Arcanum at Tier 1.3, can I choose Universal as one of my Traditions to pick a universal spell? My initial reaction is 'yes' given that it is, by definition, a "universal tradition" however I'd rather just get the clarification now rather than risk a problem at a table. Thanks in advance!!
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