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Harliquinn
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| PCIJames wrote: | | Harliquinn wrote: | | Runs With Kio Sword wrote: | | Perhaps this is one of the many reasons why the Altherians were WISE enough not to create Glass Steel Flintlocks, even with that resource discovered in their backyard. |
Not sure why everyone thinks it's glass...it's a metal ore that has impressive strength, is light weight and a somewhat translucent property...
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I'm not sure why you think its a metal. Ore doesn't mean its metal, it means its a mineral aggregate that can be mined. Usually that means metal, but not always.
I didn't mean to be snarky; but if you really want to get technical, metals are crystals. They have lattice-structures and different structures produce different types of strengths (forging for example typically adds carbon into the lattice-structure changing its ductile strength).
Just because a metal is 'strong' doesn't mean that it makes a good weapon. |
James
I was using the book definition of Glass Steel. The book uses the words "ore", "smelting" to describe Glass Steel; therefore, the logical conclusion is that it is a type of metal. You are correct, all ores are not purely metal, but they generally contain metal. In addition, the smelting process is specifically a process used to extract the metal from the ore. You are correct in that strong doesn't mean a good weapon. A strong but brittle substance would make a poor weapon. The passage in the book goes on to say that Glass Steel is used in weapon manufacture and gives rules around it, making it suitable for that use.
So, metallurgy and chemistry lessons aside, the rules as written indicate that Glass Steel is an ore that is smelted to produce an impressively strong metal substance that ends up semi-clear and is used in the manufacture of weapons. Now, of course, the PCI Team is within their rights to say "Glass Steel flintlocks aren't allowed because the Altherians wouldn't compromise the integrity of the process by introducing a non-standard metal" or "That Glass Steel is such a strong material, it doesn't lend itself to the small, complex components of flintlock construction." You could even change your minds and say that Glass Steel is actually a crystal (and re-write the section). Given what's presented with no further details, a flintlock made of Glass Steel seems completely within the rules. I understand that one cannot start with a Glass Steel weapon and that Glass Steel may not even be allowed in the campaign without documentation. That is all perfectly fine.
However, I don't feel it is a ludicrous or unheard of question to take what's in the rules you have written and ask a completely reasonable question. That said, the answer's been given by Pedro that it isn't allowed to start with and if the opportunity arises in the campaign to obtain Glass Steel, I'll get an official ruling on flintlocks at that time and abide by it.
Thanks,
John
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MaioJKM
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I could see Glass Steel Bullets getting increased range due to the same size shot being half the weight. So with the same size poweder charge it would have considerable more range than a typical ball. Just a thought.
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I think this argument is mostly moot for the time being, with vaild points on both sides grounded in the started rules and documented reality.
However, I think its moot because 1, special materials are not allowed for heirloom items, I think some where its been specifically said that no special materials at creation
and 2, rules for sourced special materials have not yet been produced, when said materials are produced then i think we should take this discussion up again and we will have something tangible to discuss
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I would really want to avoid the kind of pedantic discussion as to whether glasssteel is a conductive mineral or an insulating mineral. Especially when it really does not matter.
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Harliquinn
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Milandir wrote: | | I would really want to avoid the kind of pedantic discussion as to whether glasssteel is a conductive mineral or an insulating mineral. Especially when it really does not matter. |
Agreed. The only real question out of this is, "At such time that Glass Steel is available in the campaign, is it possible to have a Glass Steel Flintlock?"
John
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PCIHenry
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Harliquinn wrote: | | Agreed. The only real question out of this is, "At such time that Glass Steel is available in the campaign, is it possible to have a Glass Steel Flintlock?" |
And that won't be answered until that time comes - so I think it's time to close this thread.
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