Paradigm Concepts

[southernskies]

Out of interest, what are the expected abilities of your retired Tier V characters?

Astra Tonsoria Ursula val'<redacted> (Martial)
Sword Saint, Sword Sage II, Legate II,
Mi 5 / Pr 12 / Qu 11 / Vi 5 / Ch 8 / In 8 / Lo 5 / Re 5
AV 31 / Fort 28 / Disc 29

Major skills/talents:
Melee Balanced 20 ranks
Battle 16 ranks
Melee Unarmed 15 ranks
Arcanum (Cants) 12 ranks
Arcanum (Meditation) 12 ranks
Persuasion 12 ranks
Acrobatics 11 ranks
Athletics 11 ranks
Mettle 11 ranks

Leadership V
Learn Fighting Style IV
Weapon Mastery V

Expensive Tastes

[Deviknyte]

[Nierite]

Assuming that nothing massively changes in terms of gear and such. . .

Haakon Marcus val'Virdan (Divine)

Paths:
Anointed Priest of Nier
Master Holy Judge of Nier
Sword Saint
War Priest

MI 7 / PR 10 / QU 8 / VI 5 / CH 11 / IN 8 / LO 5 / RE 5

AV 30 / FO 29 / DI 30

Major Skills (10 or above):

Arcanum: Cants - 20
Mettle - 17
Melee: Balanced - 16
Knowledge: Religion - 15
Empathy - 12
Persuasion - 10

Major Talents:

Weapons Mastery V (Flamberge)
Divine Spell Casting V (28 spells known, including Universal and Rebuke)
Bloodline Talents (None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods, The Sword of Heaven, To Withstand the Crucible of Flame, Judgement Awaits the Unworthy, The Puissant Warrior, The Fires of Heaven)
Blessed Vitality II
Leadership II

Flaws:

Heroic
Phobia (Claustrophobia)
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Cody Bergman

aka = Haakon Marcus val'Virdan, Priest of Nier (Divine 1.
aka = Dyabe val'Abebi, Templar of Althares (Divine 1.4)
aka = Jorma Ostoman, Battlemage of the Coryani Empire (Arcane 1.2)

[Harliquinn]

Haven't planned things out to the fullest, and campaign happenings might affect some choices, but...

Kelb'Bakari Masalio (Dark-kin Altherian Adventuring Bard Archaeologist Corsair)

Archetype: Expert
Background: Former Soldier
Paths: Archaeologist (I, II), Bard (I), TBD (Likely a casting Path or Sword Saint / Rogue related)

Attributes: Mi (5) / Pr (12) / Qu (8 ) / Vi (5) / Ch (11) / In (5) / Lo (7) / Re (5)
Defenses: Av (31) / Fo (28 ) / Di (29)

Major Skills:
Melee (Unbalanced): 18
Ranged (Marksmanship): 15
Persuasion: 18
Knowledge (Myths & Legends): 18
Acrobatics: ~15
Larceny: ~15
Perform (Ribaldry): ~12
Streetwise: ~12
Smattering of other Social and Lore Skills: 9-10

Main Talents:
Combat: Weapon Training/Mastery (Steel Whip, Dagger, Flintlocks), Balanced Blades, Two-Weapon Fighting, Quick Draw (I), Martial Techniques (Spinning Strikes, Unbalancing Strike, Passing Strike, Flowing Sand)
Skill: Adaptable, Acrobatic, Campaigner, Daredevil, Eclectic Knowledge, Encyclopedic Memory, Exploit Weakness (I, II, III, IV), Honey-Tongued, Inspirational Performance, Jack-of-all-Trades, Leadership (I, II), Linguist, Prestidigitation, Quick, Shady (I), Seasoned Traveler, Tomb Raider (I, II)
Racial: Bestial Hide, Cloven Hooves, Wings of the Fiend
Other: Heirloom

Flaws:
Expensive Tastes
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- Harliquinn, John Bellando
Ohio Harvester

Kelb'Bakari, Dark-kin Altherian Corsair, Gentleman Archaeologist
-"Judge a wine by its label and you will miss out on the best vintages."

[Andril]

Just started, so re-builds are still possible, and only planned to tier 3 for path

Tariq val'Mehan

Archetype: Arcane (Psionics)
Background: Initiate of the Gods
Paths: Anointed Priest, Sarishan Binder 1+2

Attributes: Mi (5) / Pr (12) / Qu (8 ) / Vi (8 ) / Ch (12) / In (8 ) / Lo (5) / Re (3)
Defenses: Av (30) / Fo (29 ) / Di (29)

Major Skills:
Arcanum (Sorcery): 21
Arcanum (Psionics): 12
Melee (Balanced): 13
Ranged (Marksmanship): 11
Deceit: 11
Persuasion: 12
Stealth: 11

Main Talents:
Spellcasting (Sorcery) I-V, Spellcasting (Psionics) I-V, Arcimous Primus I-IV, Sarish is Known to His Chosen, Grace of the Cat Lord, Master of the Arcanum, Loyal Companion IV+V, Sabbatical

Spells known:
too many

Flaws:
Sickly, but might change to expensive taste

[Nierite]

Neat to see that nobody has TRULY gone for maximizing more than one skill (20+).
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Cody Bergman

aka = Haakon Marcus val'Virdan, Priest of Nier (Divine 1.
aka = Dyabe val'Abebi, Templar of Althares (Divine 1.4)
aka = Jorma Ostoman, Battlemage of the Coryani Empire (Arcane 1.2)

[EricGorman]

This is probably close to where my secondary will wind up...

Rhydei N'Sai, Speculator Prince of Mhyrcia (aka ... that dangerous fop)
(martial, kio, fostered noble, Flaw:expensive tastes)

ATTRIBUTES: Mi5 Pr13 Qu8 Vi5 Ch5 In8 Lo5 Re8 FATE 5
DEFENSES: Avoid: 32 Disc: 29 Fort: 28
PATHS: Assassin x2, Grand Master x2 and probably Rhin'Anake x1

MAJOR SKILLS:
Melee Balanced 22 (w/Sabbatical)
Ranged Archery 18 (w/ Sabbatical)
Acrobatics 10
Athletics 19
Mettle 10
Stealth 18 (w/ Sabbatical)

MAJOR TALENTS:
Weapon Mastery V (kio sword), Murderous Precision V, Borne Upon the Wind III, many martial techniques
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~Eisener val'Holryn. Holy Champion of Nier and haunted veteran of the crusade
~Formerly Sir Jaeger val'Holryn, gave his soul to help free King Noen from the LLT Banner

[Harliquinn]

[hustonj]

For those trying to be good at things OUTSIDE their archetypes, they are pretty limited . . ..

IF they can get +3 during character creation, they can only count on +10 (unless Expert) during character advancement without a "lucky" Path bump.

That means that +15 is going to be pretty tough to reach for skills that some might want to think of as one of their primary focuses.
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Valeriano Innocenzo Camillo de Larissa la Galletti
San Antonio, Tx-based Harvester
Jeff Huston
huston.harvester@cox.net

[Harliquinn]

That seems consistent with the Expert's role, so that's good to know. Divine, Arcane, and Martial characters have a pretty broad range of skills to advance as well in that Divine can raise Social, Arcane can raise Lore and Martial can raise Physical skills. However, for Divine/Arcane it takes 2 advancements to do so, which again seems fitting.

I would guess that a +15 is still pretty good as on average, that will let you reach TN 30 for those skills (2d10 + 1d8 + 15 = 11 + 4.5 + 15 = 30.5). Not sure how many skills require hitting much above that on average.

John
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- Harliquinn, John Bellando
Ohio Harvester

Kelb'Bakari, Dark-kin Altherian Corsair, Gentleman Archaeologist
-"Judge a wine by its label and you will miss out on the best vintages."

[Deviknyte]

@John: You have to remember that only certain races can hit that 4 max on character creation. And most players are going to have 2 paths that effect their combat skill.

Max is 24 for a Melee, 21 for and Arcane. I'm not sure about Ranged or Divine.

That's why I was saying norm is going to be 21.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

[Nierite]

Looking at the builds presented above, I too think that 21 is the 'max' you're likely to see with your average character, just like 28-30 is the 'average' defence for those same characters.

I'm not sure how this compares to the notes that the PCI crew have, but I'm thinking it is reasonable.
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Cody Bergman

aka = Haakon Marcus val'Virdan, Priest of Nier (Divine 1.
aka = Dyabe val'Abebi, Templar of Althares (Divine 1.4)
aka = Jorma Ostoman, Battlemage of the Coryani Empire (Arcane 1.2)

[Harliquinn]

I was mainly talking non-combat skills. Combat skills are going to be rated differently because your TN varies by the creatures you're fighting. I hope Tier V things can be hit with the numbers most people are expecting to have in that Tier.

John
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- Harliquinn, John Bellando
Ohio Harvester

Kelb'Bakari, Dark-kin Altherian Corsair, Gentleman Archaeologist
-"Judge a wine by its label and you will miss out on the best vintages."