Paradigm Concepts

[maurlysander]

The way I understand it, if you have the option, you can take a Talent at character creation even if you don't meet the prereqs

For example Background Shaman Init. gives you a combat talent.

I would like to take Mounted Combat but I can't get Born in the Saddle till later. (will have it later)
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AJ Nicholson
AKA: Lothair (val'Holyrn) of the Vanimor. Shaman Initiate (1.7)
AKA: Obsidian Tear; weilder of the blade “Obsidian Tear� Kio Exile and one time Pirate. (1.2)

[Nierite]

Unless SPECIFICALLY given in a Path, Background, Archetype, or Race you REQUIRE all prerequisites. If you have something saying "A Combat talent" it means you have to choose a Combat talent that you otherwise qualify for.
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Cody Bergman

aka = Haakon Marcus val'Virdan, Priest of Nier (Divine 1.
aka = Dyabe val'Abebi, Templar of Althares (Divine 1.4)
aka = Jorma Ostoman, Battlemage of the Coryani Empire (Arcane 1.2)

[L23]

Note that if you get (eg) 2 combat talents early on in chargen, you can wait until you have gone through all the other stages of chargen before you pick them, so you can pick up pre-reqs along the way.

[EricGorman]

[hustonj]

As I remember it, any Talent selected as part of your Archetype step can break pre-requisite rules, but can not break access rules.

Thus, an Expert can take Prestidigitation, or a martial Character can take Leadership or a martial Technique that he doesn't meet the pre-requisite Attribute or Skill Ranks to learn.

At every other step in Character Creation and Advancement, either the Talent is EXPLICITLY NAMED (by Background or Path) or the character must meet all the normal requirements for learning the Talent.

As I remember it.
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Jeff Huston
huston.harvester@cox.net

[EricGorman]

What about Paths? I know you normally get what you get from them regardless of prerequisites. Most of those are spelled out clearly. But a few give you choices. Wouldn't a Path like Knight Errant, which grants a combat talent, allow you to take ANY combat talent (regardless of the prereqs of the talent)?

Eric
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[hustonj]

[Andril]

So, would you be allowed to take advanced training as a skill talent when being an expert when you choose your archetype and select talents?
Or Encyclopedic Memory?

[hustonj]

[Andril]

Hm, maybe an update to character generation? Along the line: if you take a talent at the archetype level you need to meet the the prerequisite of talent requirements (and those only). So you don't have attribute or skill requirements, which I think, was the intention, but you have the talent requirement, which could be intended. Esp., I could see a lot of experts taking Encyclopedic Memory as a skill talent at archetype level.
Would affect a few talents as:
Advanced training
Loyal companion
Encyclopedic Memory
Seductive
It could become a lot more important, when skill talents are introduced which require a few talents to have, and it seems, only experts are benefiting from the rule.
I was thinking of taking advanced training, to get the benefit later, but RAI wise I would say, it won't fit.

[Deviknyte]

[StatMonkey]

[Andril]

So, would Advacned training come into effect later, if I'd take it as skill talent due to my archetype, and then at stage 4 get my loyal companion due to the Bloodtalent We Are All Her Children, or would it be useless?

[StatMonkey]

[Andril]

Sorry for the confusion - I was refering to Advanced Training.
To make things clear:
Can I take advanced Training as a skill talent at archetype level as an expert, and then apply it to the anaimal I get when I take the bloodtalent We are all her children at the stage when I choose my race?
Thanks, Peter