Paradigm Concepts

[hustonj]

Mechanics error

A certain Gnome's tactics call for him to stack flat damage bonuses to a single attack roll, when both of these bonuses come from Talents.

This violates the stacking rules . . ..

One of the two Talents (Waylay) is well-used in the specified tactics. The other one (Murderous Precision) can be retroactively applied as bonus damage to a HIT (since it says you can use it when you successfully attack . . .).

So, the damage can still be made to happen easily enough, you just can't stack the flat numeric bonuses from the same source on the same attack.
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Jeff Huston
huston.harvester@cox.net

[StatMonkey]

Not quite,

The bonuses are different, one grants a bonus equal to passive quickness while the other grants a bonus equal to passive insight....if they were the same bonus (aka bonus were based off passive quickness.) They would not stack.
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[hustonj]

The description in the stacking rules calls the TALENT the source.

These two Talents are providing flat bonuses. Not stackable according to your published stacking rules, Pedro.

From the current FAQ:

[Deviknyte]

I'm with hustonj. Where the number comes from has never been taken into consideration before. Sounds like cheese to me. They are both still static talent bonuses.
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[StatMonkey]

[Deviknyte]

Is that suppose to be the intent for anytime a talent grants one a passive modifier bonus? Or does Murderous Precision just need a Special: Stacks with Waylay.

Talent-unnamed, static
Talent-unnamed, die
Talent'-mi, static
Talent-mi, die
etc

If I had Waylay, Murderous Precision, and Weapon Mastery, all three would stack?
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

[StatMonkey]

[Deviknyte]

So the types of bonuses are as follows?:

Ally
Talent
Spell
Item
Might
Prowess
Quickness
Vigor
Insight
Charisma
Logic
Resolve

With Sub categories of:
Static and Dice

Or is it as follows?:
Ally, Talent, Spell, Item

With sub categories of:
Static
Dice
Might Passive
Might Dice
Prowess Passive
Prowess Dice
Quickness Passive
Quickness Dice
Vigor Passive
Vigor Dice
Charisma Passive
Charisma Dice
Insight Passive
Insight Dice
Logic Passive
Logic Dice
Resolve Passive
Resolve Dice
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

[Deviknyte]

And which ever answer it is need to be changed in the errata.

Edit: Actually I don't think it matters which it is. But still needs to be addressed in the errata.

Also you might want to put in that bonuses from Maneuvers always stack.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

[hustonj]

Then you need to completely re-work how you DESCRIBE the stacking rules, because the way they have been described since you tried to formalize them has prevented two Talents which both provide static bonuses to damage from stacking.

I can't even pretend to try to help, because I no longer have any confidence that I understand the intended limits.

I try to keep your intent in mind when I apply the rule set you have given us, but when you claim intent that directly contradicts your own written rules, I can't deconflict them. In such cases I choose to default to what you've written and distributed, because that's what the average player has a chance to expect as being correct.
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Valeriano Innocenzo Camillo de Larissa la Galletti
San Antonio, Tx-based Harvester
Jeff Huston
huston.harvester@cox.net

[StatMonkey]

[Deviknyte]

At Pedro: Is the example quoted from me how stacking works than? And of course my example is to be applied to one thing.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

[hustonj]

[Deviknyte]

[Deviknyte]

At hustonj: Distract Opponent is an ally source. An ally is granting you a bonus to hit. Just like leadership, inspirational presence, and inspirational performance. They come from a talent but you are granting that bonus to an ally.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda