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Dead.Zone
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 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: When can a Talent ignore Prerequisites |
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Hello,
Okay. So I remember that there have been posts about this. And after reading this post http://www.paradigmconcepts.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1324 I started thinking... Where is the official ruling?
I looked at my copy of the .pdf (I think it's the latest version, but I'm not positive of that.) I looked at the Errata 2.7 document that is currently under review. I looked in the FAQ 2.3 document that is currently under review. I looked in the LA Rulings forum. And I could not find the official ruling that clarifies this. So... Can anyone point me to the ruling that states: | hustonj wrote: | As I remember it, any Talent selected as part of your Archetype step can break pre-requisite rules, but can not break access rules.
Thus, an Expert can take Prestidigitation, or a martial Character can take Leadership or a martial Technique that he doesn't meet the pre-requisite Attribute or Skill Ranks to learn.
At every other step in Character Creation and Advancement, either the Talent is EXPLICITLY NAMED (by Background or Path) or the character must meet all the normal requirements for learning the Talent.
As I remember it. |
Not that I'm doubting Jeff. His memory agrees with what I remember. I would simply like to be able to point players who are making characters (or judges who are asking, "How?") at the ruling.
thanks,
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StatMonkey
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe this should be added to the FAQ?
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Dead.Zone
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I think that it either needs to be in the FAQ or in the LA Rulings forum. (BTW... The LA Rulings forum only has two posts in it. I don't know if keeping the number of rulings in there down is by design or by happenstance, but I would have expected to see more of them in there at this point.)
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StatMonkey
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Dead.Zone wrote: | I think that it either needs to be in the FAQ or in the LA Rulings forum. (BTW... The LA Rulings forum only has two posts in it. I don't know if keeping the number of rulings in there down is by design or by happenstance, but I would have expected to see more of them in there at this point.)
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because it's not a "campaign ruling" its a core rules issue..
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Dead.Zone
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ah. My bad. Thanks for the clarification.
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Milandir
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Quoth the book:
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When a Talent is taken, you must meet all stated requirements, except when the Talent is acquired through an Archetype, Background, or Path. Some requirements will have the following notations: (b) for Backgrounds, (ta) for
Talents, (pa) for Paths, and (a) for Archetypes. |
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EricGorman
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:38 am Post subject: |
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I make a character with a 4 Might. He then becomes a Knight Errant (Path) which grants any Combat Talent as one of its perks. Martial Technique is combat talent.
Can I then choose MT: Sweeping Strike?
page 170 seems to say yes. What I've heard from the list (because the talent is not specifically named) seems to say no.
Clarification?
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StatMonkey
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| EricGorman wrote: | I make a character with a 4 Might. He then becomes a Knight Errant (Path) which grants any Combat Talent as one of its perks. Martial Technique is combat talent.
Can I then choose MT: Sweeping Strike?
page 170 seems to say yes. What I've heard from the list (because the talent is not specifically named) seems to say no.
Clarification? |
See the quote above.. yes you can get Sweeping Strike
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Dead.Zone
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Oh. I was in the same boat as Eric G. was... I thought that the general concensus from this forum was that unless the Talent was specifically named in the Path, Archetype or Background that you still had to meet the requirements.
Thank you to both Eric W. and Pedro for clearing that up.
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Archangel
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| On a similar note, since this is different than I expected, when a path grants weapon training (any) can you pick a weapon you already have training in to get it bumped to weapon mastery? |
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| archangel.arcanis wrote: | | On a similar note, since this is different than I expected, when a path grants weapon training (any) can you pick a weapon you already have training in to get it bumped to weapon mastery? |
Yep
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Very interesting. I actually rebuilt a character because I thought I would get forced to pick some weapon I probably wasn't going to use when it came time to get a path. |
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