Paradigm Concepts

Valentius · Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3

Could someone explain to me what the Special ( Addition Source) for the Arcane Spell Casting: Psionics Talent is trying to tell me? It isn't worded very well but it sort of reads like it's telling me I can take the Arcane Spell Casting talent to gain a second source of magic.

Can't I do that anyways? Help!

Archangel · Joined: 15 Aug 2011 Posts: 386

I think you are limited to one source in most cases, but I could be wrong on that as I can't find where I read it. Psionics is the only one that can be combined with divine though, as the others explicitly call out that they can not in their special section.

Also of note is Psionics is the only one that doesn't require gestures, thus you don't have to free up a hand to cast.
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Nierite · Joined: 20 Jan 2010 Posts: 1731 Location: Edmonton, Canada

Indeed, the mindsets required to cast all of the different sources other than Psionics are mutually exclusive.

Divine views all others as heretical.

Primal requires you to make deals with spirits, so if you already have the power why do you need another source?

Elder and Eldritch allow you to manipulate magic without help, so why would you need any other? Meanwhile, the psychology between casting Elder and Eldritch is mighty different, meaning you can't have both.

Only Psionics really fit into any of the above as 'additional options'.
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Valentius · Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3

So even if you meet all the requirements you cannot take Arcane Spell Casting for more that one type of magic unless you are Psionic?

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Valentius · Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3

That does. Thank you very much.

Edit: And let me just take this opportunity to say Thank You for this wonderful game. While I haven't read the whole book yet, so far I am really enjoying it. The world is fantastic! Keep up all the good work!

Archangel · Joined: 15 Aug 2011 Posts: 386

Just one thing on what you said Henry. B implies A as Val are the only race that is playable (at least right now) that can use Psionics. The other 2 mentioned in the psionics description are "monster races".
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Deviknyte · Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 1369 Location: Allen Park, MI

What that special boils it down to, is that the only way to have 2 types of casting, is to have Psionic and Divine/Sorcerer-Priest.
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hustonj · Joined: 30 Jun 2010 Posts: 1079

A val can be both a Divine Caster and a Psionic caster. That doesn't violate what Henry said above.

Psionics does NOT have the "no Divine casting" caveat that the rest of the Arcane casting sources do.
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Deviknyte · Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 1369 Location: Allen Park, MI

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Deviknyte · Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 1369 Location: Allen Park, MI

/ meant OR.
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Dead.Zone · Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Posts: 323 Location: Pontiac, MI

Either I'm misinterpreting the recent posts, or I think you're (houstonj & Deviknyte) mistaken. Psionics must be one of the multiple casting talents, yes. But there is no requirement that the other be divine.

Take, for example, a val Eldritch caster. At some point during his life, he could become spontaneously awakened. He would then be both an Eldritch caster and a Psionic caster.

In order to have multiple sources, one of the sources must be psionic. The other could be anything (except that the only PC playable race that can use psionics is a Val, who is not capable of casting Elder magic.) Does that sound correct?

Scott

Deviknyte · Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 1369 Location: Allen Park, MI

I was under the assumption that from the last thread on this subject that it was psionics plus divine (or Sorcerer-Priest). I could be remembering wrong.
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