Paradigm Concepts

[StatMonkey]

Greetings everyone...

one thing I want to bring up, flavor text matters...

Example, read Order of the Ivory Bow.. it's crystal clear they are devout worshipers of Sarish.

"They are also indoctrinated in the faith of Sarish, who provides the pillar of unshakable truth that allows them to resist the lies of the Infernal."

common sense
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Pedro C Barrenechea
Paradigm Concepts, Miami
And all you need to know about Arcanis
New player: "You know, I'm not really sure we *should* win. I'm not sure we made the right choice."
Veteran player: "Welcome to Arcanis!"

[Harliquinn]

I love the flavor text in all the books. The only caution I would add is don't expect players to read any unstated Requirements into flavor text. If there is a requirement implicit in the flavor text, it should be stated as a rule as well.

John
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- Harliquinn, John Bellando
Ohio Harvester

Kelb'Bakari, Dark-kin Altherian Corsair, Gentleman Archaeologist
-"Judge a wine by its label and you will miss out on the best vintages."

[Archangel]

There are 2 issues with using the common sense approach: 1) it isn't all that common 2) people think differently and what seems common sense to one is baffling to others.

Reason 2 is why I normally ask questions that probably seem like common sense to the PCI crew and many of the other players. I just know my brain works differently than many here so if I use common sense I verify that it makes sense to others too.
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Brian Trahan

[Deviknyte]

One problem I have is flavor vs requirement. The book is not explicit about the Larissan & Saluwen priestess being female only. No where in the rules or flavor at all does it say elorii can only be arcane if elder, it's not even implied. A lot of the flavor rulings are things you have to have a little lore to know. If one just picked up the book you wouldn't know.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

[PCIHenry]

Devin,

[Archangel]

[StatMonkey]

[Archangel]

I agree Pedro that mechanically there is nothing preventing Elorii from taking primal. However based on Devin's statement there is apparently a setting restriction that they can not use any arcane other than Elder.

His argument hinges on that players who didn't know a bit of lore beyond the core book would not know this. So there is a misunderstanding here somewhere, either there isn't a restriction on Elorii to learn primal (and Devin's statement is in error) or there is and the game mechanics don't reflect the setting. A third possibility is that there is a restriction and it is stated somewhere, but Devin missed it.
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Brian Trahan

[PCIHenry]

Brian,

Are you not reading what Pete posted carefully or what?

On page 98 it says the Elorii CAN learn Elder.

On the same page it says
Dwarves, elorii, or male ss’ressen may not learn Eldritch Magic.

So where is the confusion?

Elorii CAN learn Divine and Primal since they are not exempted from doing so in the book.

So there's no hinging on lore not in the book. It is clearly stated.

So Devin didn't read the Core Book carefully because what he said was not in the book is as the above shows.

I don't see why this argument needs to continue.
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Henry Lopez
President
Paradigm Concepts, Inc.

[Archangel]

I read and agreed with Pete. It is clear that the situation is the first of those I presented as possible: Devin's example was wrong as there is no restriction limiting Elorii to Elder as the only arcane source they can use.
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Brian Trahan

[Nierite]

[mighty28]

I don't recall Henry saying that Elorii couldn't be primal casters, just that they would extreme oddballs. I recall his statement being something to the effect og "they can wield the raw power of creation, why would they need to negotiate with spirits and other entitites for power?".
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Matthew Flinn
Indiana Harvester/Indentured Servant

"Every combat is overpowering if you are incompetent"

[Chris24601]

[PCIHenry]

Hello,

[Nierite]

From January of this year.