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| PaldarisQueen wrote: | I'd be happy to help you make up heraldry, Chris. It's one of my favoritest things to do in my medieval group.  |
Well, I think I've got the artwork designed and I think I've followed the rules (such as the rule of tincture), but someone to double check would be appreciated.
The blazon, near as I can determine the proper wording, would be...
Azure, a chevron inverted argent, above that, a hawk displayed Or with chest charged a heart gules, and above that, cadency of a three-pointed label argent.
The full crest would include the family motto "Güte vor der Ehre", two tigers proper rampent as supporters, and an open helm with mantling gules and Or. Occassionally, the second family motto "Ich bin kein Kumpel" would be displayed above that.
For the record, I'm using the German system of cadency, where the 1st son uses undifferentiated arms. The three pointed label would be the arms of the second son (and his first son), while a five pointed label would the arms of the second son's second son.
My character is the first son of the freiherr's second son (thus not in the line of succession, since the freiherr's first son has several sons of his own) and so would use the three pointed label for cadency on his coat-of-arms.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Azure a chevron inverted argent and in chief a hawk displayed or charged with a heart gules, overall of a label of three points argent. I think.
There are two things stylistically:
Hawks are unusual in heraldry; they are stylistically identical to a falcon and similiar to an eagle. Displayed is an unusual position for them. I'd recommend making it an eagle if you want it to be displayed, and otherwise to make it close (wings closed) or volant (flying). To make it more of a hawk/falcon and less eagle, I would add jesses and/or bells.
The heart on the hawk seems odd to me, stylistically. I would suggest either removing it, or changing the color (heart of gold?) and putting three, possibly moving the hawk to the chevron itself. Hmm, if we fiddle with the colors some...
How about: argent a chevron inverted azure charged with an eagle argent between three hearts gules?
http://home.comcast.net/~krilia/chris_arms_1.PNG
You are, of course, welcome to ignore me. Ooops, and I forgot the label, but you can see the style and the label just plops on top of the other layers anyway.
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| PaldarisQueen wrote: | | Azure a chevron inverted argent and in chief a hawk displayed or charged with a heart gules, overall of a label of three points argent. I think. |
Cool, and thanks.
| Quote: | | Hawks are unusual in heraldry; they are stylistically identical to a falcon and similiar to an eagle. |
Well, I referred to it as a hawk displayed due to association with the Order of the Hawk within the Sanctorum of the Arcane (which also uses a hawk displayed in its coat of arms).
| Quote: | | The heart on the hawk seems odd to me, stylistically. |
I put the heart charge onto the hawk mainly to keep the rules of tinture intact (no color on color or metal on metal). I wanted a heart symbol in the arms to show the family's association with the Order of the Redeeming Heart.
Moving it onto the chevron might be a possibility though.
| Quote: | | How about: argent a chevron inverted azure |
The reason for the chevron being argent was to subtly symbolize the White Sash of Purity, by which the family entered into the ranks in the first place.
Here's the arms as I designed them to be painted upon an actual shield...
Yes, its probably not a proper hawk, but I'm a sucker for clean lines and it would be a lot easier to (re)paint onto a shield (not to mention being really easy to make out from a distance).
And here is the whole family crest with some embelishments (gradiants and drop shadows).
If you think of the rampant tigers not as supporting, but attacking the shield along with the secondary family motto ("Ich bin kein Kumpel"... more of a family joke than a serious motto... which is why it is a seperate piece from the crest... making it easy to stash when guests come) it should all make sense. 
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Very pretty. And *snicker* about tigers...
If you want it to look even more white sash-like, white is VERY frequently used for Argent in heraldry.
I'm beating my head against the wall for a term to mean it doesn't have the internal lines. It's not voided - that takes out the middle entirely. I can't find it and hang my head in shame.
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| PaldarisQueen wrote: | | I'm beating my head against the wall for a term to mean it doesn't have the internal lines. It's not voided - that takes out the middle entirely. I can't find it and hang my head in shame. |
The only blazon description I found with anything close was "Party per pale argent and vert, a tree eradicated counterchanged" as shown here...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Wappen_Behnsdorf.png
So I'm guessing the term "eradicated" is probably what you're looking for (so in my case... "a hawk displayed eradicated Or").
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Nope - eradicated is a tree pulled up by the roots and blasted is without leaves.
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| PaldarisQueen wrote: | | Nope - eradicated is a tree pulled up by the roots and blasted is without leaves. |
Drat! Well, we must both hang our heads in shame then.
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