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You can put more than one rank in one skill right?
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

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From page 94.

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Lol. K. I do own the book. From my understanding, I could plus 3 points in a skill that was trained.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

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You can't put more than 1 point into an already Trained skill during Skill Point part of Creation. If you want to put 3 points into an untrained skill, you can have 2 Ranks during Skill Point part of Creation. Those are your two options for a skill.
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Ohio Harvester

Kelb'Bakari, Dark-kin Altherian Corsair, Gentleman Archaeologist
-"Judge a wine by its label and you will miss out on the best vintages."

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Well that makes me sad. Gotta rebuild my character. And I only have 2 paths that grant me a rank to Cants.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

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What are you trying to do? There may be a way.

John
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- Harliquinn, John Bellando
Ohio Harvester

Kelb'Bakari, Dark-kin Altherian Corsair, Gentleman Archaeologist
-"Judge a wine by its label and you will miss out on the best vintages."

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Well this just changes things in how I thought the curves worked.

When I thought you could put more than one rank into something during the skill point part of creation, I just figured everyone was going to have 4 ranks in everything. And getting the edge really came from your paths. All combat characters can score 3 ranks off their paths. Casters could only score 2 from paths, unless you went expert apprentice arcanist/initiate itinerant/shaman initiate, then you got 4. And I think sorcerer-Priest of Sarish could get 3 or 4 points IIRC. Psions could get 3 because Spontaneously Awakened Scion, doesn't require you to not be able to cast before hand.

Then as I was reading the forums and seeing the whole "well most people will have a 3 in their combat/arcanum unless your a val/human." It kinda through me off. So I asked the question above, and got an answer I didn't expect (or wanna hear).

My Elorii Cleric can only get 3 ranks from creation and 2 from paths. Or 2 from creation and 4 from paths if I go Expert.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

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I assume when you say "Path" you mean "Background"? You don't get a Path at character creation.

After character generation there are lots of ways to increase the ranks you have in trained skills through the advancements; paths are just one way that sometimes works in your favor.

4 ranks is going to be pretty rare except for maybe 1 skill that really lined up across your race, region, background, archetype and spending one. You'd be a very focused character at that point, but it is doable. My general idea is to go for about 4-6 'maxxed' skills (starting at 3 Ranks and raising by 3 Ranks every Tier), a handful of 'decent' skills (starting at 2 Ranks or gotten via Expert Advancement) and the 1 / Tier increase, and a smattering of '1 offs' that I take 1 rank in and just let my Tier advancement kick in.

For my character, it's likely going to be Persuasion, Acrobatics, Larceny, Melee, Ranged, and Knowledge for my 'keep maxxed' and then pick up a few things as I Tier up to round out the bunch.

Some folks are going for the 'whole lotta' 1 Rank skills and 1-2 ranked higher at generation because of how their choices lined up. It all depends on what you're trying to do.

The one thing I couldn't find a path for was the 'Expert/Caster' combination. I'm guessing it was supposed to be the Bard, but it doesn't really shake out that way.

John
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- Harliquinn, John Bellando
Ohio Harvester

Kelb'Bakari, Dark-kin Altherian Corsair, Gentleman Archaeologist
-"Judge a wine by its label and you will miss out on the best vintages."

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No when I said path I meant path. Here's what was going through my head when I was building.

Character creation: Archetype, Background, Race, Region. You get some ranks. Let's say 2 for example.

Skill Points: I thought you could put more than one rank in something at a time. But there was a max. So no matter the character or build, your starting combat skill would be at four. Example: background 1 cants, archetype 1 cants, skill points 2 cants.

So in my mind. Everyone would have 4 ranks creation. Everyone would get 3 ranks per tier. Paths were where you got your boost in skill power, because everything else was the same.

Now that I think about it. If everyone could just spend 3 points to raise their combat skills at creation Expert would be overpowered. But like I said. That's how I read it. It says you can spend a skill point to raise a rank in a trained skill. Max 4. Never says you can't put more than one. Never says you can either.
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-Devin Redd, Detroit Harvester
"The Elorii shall rise again!"
Current- Vaerdos kyr'Taliis, Ardakene Elorii Chanter of the Rebirth and the Bright People
Retired- Elysian, Ardakene Elorii Hierophant of Belisarda

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Actually getting any skill to a 4 is possible regardless of race providing you can get at least 2 ranks between Archetype, Background and Region. It's expensive to get to 4 if you only have 2 skill ranks by the final skill point step, but possible.

With a sweep of his hat,

Paul

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