can you provide a reference to this statement:

"Any Talent granted by a Archetype, Background, or Path ignores limited and requirements."

That's what your basing your argument on but i cant find a reference to it in any book ( so can you tell me where its at ?)

I remember it being said (on phone, so don't have reference) that you cannot supercede Tier unless specifically given by name. Even then, you cannot get the benefits until you reach the proper tier. Since Perfect Cut lists Tier IV as a requirement, you cannot supercede it.

You cannot take a Talent above your Tier unless it is specifically given to you by name through an Archetype, Path, or Background. It has been stated many times here and in the upcoming errata just for clarification.

John

This is spelled out precisely in the new errata: You can't ignore Racial Restrictions, Limited Restriction, or Tier.

John

Absolutely Josh,


Talents Page 170 A:RPG
Under Notations:

Under Requirements:


Also, there is no errata for page 170 of A:RPG here:
http://www.paradigmconcepts.com/Downloa ... _(05-07-12).pdf

To the best of my knowledge this is why the Spell Casting talents, Spontaneously Awakened and Advanced Armor Training are No Type and PCI never allows an Archetype, Background, or Path to grant Choose any one Talent without specifying a type. This allows them to grant limited talents with any new background, path, or I suppose Archetype if they wanted to create a new one. The loophole that needs to be closed here with another edition, errata, or additional rules in a new book is specifying which requirements can be ignored and which cannot. Unfortunately, that paints them into a corner if they decide to make a path that grants The Perfect Cut at Tier III for example.

Besides The Perfect Cut does anyone else see any Combat Talents that Knight Errant and Elder Sorcerer's Apprentice should not be able to take? I'd like to use this discussion to come up with a suggested fix for PCI.

When is the new errata scheduled for release? I assume you are talking about one besides the currently posted one here:
http://www.paradigmconcepts.com/Downloa ... _(05-07-12).pdf

Matthew
I think where you're getting confused is in difference between Talent "Requirements" and "Type". Talents have Types that are listed in []'s next to the name. Requirements are listed under the Talent name and preceded by the word "Requirements".

"Limited" is a "Type" and not a Requirement. Therefore bypassing Requirements does not in any way allow bypassing Limited.

The Tier and Race requirements that cannot be bypassed are explicitly spelled out in the errata. I don't know when it will be released, but there is a great need for it.

John

So to be clear a Templar of Sarish, Knight Errant even with the new, forthcoming errata, will still be able to take Learn Fighting Style (Arcimous Primus) and get Arcane Strike. Nothing we have talked about here seems to preclude it. How do we suggest a fix for that?

its been a while but this is the errata we are talking about, there is an entore forum dedicated to the decisions behind these rules

That link is dead.